Found this gem on reddit:
The GM of the Pathfinder group I'm playing in wanted a break from GM'ing and asked me to stand in for him as a GM for a few weeks, maybe even a few months. I wanted to run Shadowrun (my favorite setting), but one of the players said he hates SR. No SR then. sigh So I decided to get D&D 5th (which I was pretty excited about) and to promote the system to the rest of the group, hoping that we could switch to it when my tenure as a GM is over. Well, so much for the background.
I dusted off my old gaming world, gave it a little touch up and then converted the starter box adventure "The Lost Mines of Phandelver" to my world. Phandalin now lies near the city of Grayfir in the Gloomwood, which is situated in Ymir Valley (instead of lying near Neverwinter in Neverwinter Wood at the Sword Coast). The players got a information about the world and I pointed them towards the Basic Rules download and luckily we were able to get the Player's Handbook early so that we could use that before the mini-campaign started.
Yesterday, we had the first real session (last week was finishing characters and a small introductionary scenario). And two players were sitting there, bashing the system relentlessly.
One hold a fucking speech about how bad the system is because you can't get your bonusses sky-high. So one roll could ruin a whole character concept and what were they thinking and they are ruining it for everyone and that all sucks the big one. Everyone on the table was puzzled. I asked the question "How can one roll ruin a character concept?" - "Well..." he said "if you wanna be good at something and you build your character towards that goal you can still fail because of a bad roll." - "But... how is that any different from Pathfinder? It can happen there too!" - He shook his head: "Not with MY characters!" He wanted to be awesome and the best in whatever he strived for and couldn't accept that D&D 5E wouldn't allow him to find a vastly and absurd powerful character concept and bash my adventure over the head with it. Great!
The second player that pisses me off to no end is the guy who is a power creep and a fucking smartass while being the youngest in the group. When someone points out things like "The Eldritch Knight is pretty cool in D&D 5E, he gets especially great at 7th level when he can hit someone with his weapon as a bonus action when he casts a spell!" or "How they handle Feats at D&D 5E is pretty cool!" he would answer along the lines of "Why would anyone do/take that? It sucks, better do {insert some power gamer shit move here}!" And half of the time he doesn't even understand the rules or uses rules in the wrong way (don't know if on purpose or because he can't distinguish between how he thinks it should work in his opinion and how things are written down in the rules). And the way he says this things comes off as if he thinks we all are idiots. I never belittled him, never told him he was an idiot or attacked him in anyway - no one of the group did. He was this way the second he sat down on our table. Don't know what's up with that.
Fuck, I'm getting old, since I don't understand the kids these days anymore (I'm just 35 for fucks sake!).
It is pretty interesting when the dude who plays a Halfling version of Casanunder from the Discworld novels and is stealing spotlight from the other players left and right isn't bugging me but the two people with halfway decent character concepts get me angry about every 15 minutes at least. And why does the player with the Casanunder copy isn't annoying me? Because he plays by the creed "Do what your character would do." He build a character that fitted his vision of his concept and then fucked on rules. His character did what his character did and THEN he asked what rules applied and even if it was something very disadvantegeous to him, he rolled with it and tried to get out on top. Every session he almost gets his character killed by his shenanigans at least once, but it is hilarious, in character and the player has the kind of fun I hope to provide to the group. The last two players of the group have fun, too. While the other two have a hard time having fun because the system doesn't allow them to be super awesome. sigh
I don't know the attitudes of this two bozos just drives me fucking NUTS.
TL;DR: One player of my D&D 5E group is bitching and whining because the system doesn't allow him to be super duper ultra megazord awesome, while another player disses the other players and me because we don't powergame enough. AND IT DRIVES ME FUCKING NUTS!
Maybe I bring a chunk of cheese and a ball gag to the table next week. Geez, these two REALLY piss me off.
Thanks for... "listening" guys n gals.
The GM of the Pathfinder group I'm playing in wanted a break from GM'ing and asked me to stand in for him as a GM for a few weeks, maybe even a few months. I wanted to run Shadowrun (my favorite setting), but one of the players said he hates SR. No SR then. sigh So I decided to get D&D 5th (which I was pretty excited about) and to promote the system to the rest of the group, hoping that we could switch to it when my tenure as a GM is over. Well, so much for the background.
I dusted off my old gaming world, gave it a little touch up and then converted the starter box adventure "The Lost Mines of Phandelver" to my world. Phandalin now lies near the city of Grayfir in the Gloomwood, which is situated in Ymir Valley (instead of lying near Neverwinter in Neverwinter Wood at the Sword Coast). The players got a information about the world and I pointed them towards the Basic Rules download and luckily we were able to get the Player's Handbook early so that we could use that before the mini-campaign started.
Yesterday, we had the first real session (last week was finishing characters and a small introductionary scenario). And two players were sitting there, bashing the system relentlessly.
One hold a fucking speech about how bad the system is because you can't get your bonusses sky-high. So one roll could ruin a whole character concept and what were they thinking and they are ruining it for everyone and that all sucks the big one. Everyone on the table was puzzled. I asked the question "How can one roll ruin a character concept?" - "Well..." he said "if you wanna be good at something and you build your character towards that goal you can still fail because of a bad roll." - "But... how is that any different from Pathfinder? It can happen there too!" - He shook his head: "Not with MY characters!" He wanted to be awesome and the best in whatever he strived for and couldn't accept that D&D 5E wouldn't allow him to find a vastly and absurd powerful character concept and bash my adventure over the head with it. Great!
The second player that pisses me off to no end is the guy who is a power creep and a fucking smartass while being the youngest in the group. When someone points out things like "The Eldritch Knight is pretty cool in D&D 5E, he gets especially great at 7th level when he can hit someone with his weapon as a bonus action when he casts a spell!" or "How they handle Feats at D&D 5E is pretty cool!" he would answer along the lines of "Why would anyone do/take that? It sucks, better do {insert some power gamer shit move here}!" And half of the time he doesn't even understand the rules or uses rules in the wrong way (don't know if on purpose or because he can't distinguish between how he thinks it should work in his opinion and how things are written down in the rules). And the way he says this things comes off as if he thinks we all are idiots. I never belittled him, never told him he was an idiot or attacked him in anyway - no one of the group did. He was this way the second he sat down on our table. Don't know what's up with that.
Fuck, I'm getting old, since I don't understand the kids these days anymore (I'm just 35 for fucks sake!).
It is pretty interesting when the dude who plays a Halfling version of Casanunder from the Discworld novels and is stealing spotlight from the other players left and right isn't bugging me but the two people with halfway decent character concepts get me angry about every 15 minutes at least. And why does the player with the Casanunder copy isn't annoying me? Because he plays by the creed "Do what your character would do." He build a character that fitted his vision of his concept and then fucked on rules. His character did what his character did and THEN he asked what rules applied and even if it was something very disadvantegeous to him, he rolled with it and tried to get out on top. Every session he almost gets his character killed by his shenanigans at least once, but it is hilarious, in character and the player has the kind of fun I hope to provide to the group. The last two players of the group have fun, too. While the other two have a hard time having fun because the system doesn't allow them to be super awesome. sigh
I don't know the attitudes of this two bozos just drives me fucking NUTS.
TL;DR: One player of my D&D 5E group is bitching and whining because the system doesn't allow him to be super duper ultra megazord awesome, while another player disses the other players and me because we don't powergame enough. AND IT DRIVES ME FUCKING NUTS!
Maybe I bring a chunk of cheese and a ball gag to the table next week. Geez, these two REALLY piss me off.
Thanks for... "listening" guys n gals.
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